Can God Need the World?
David Bentley Hart, Jordan Daniel Wood, and the Trouble with Christological Monism
Creation is internal to God’s eternal intention, but not constitutive of God’s eternal identity.
Reflections on the Fordham Orthodox Christian Studies Center discussion of David Bentley Hart’s The Light of Tabor, with David Bentley Hart, Rowan Williams, and Jordan Daniel Wood.
Video Link: “The Light of Tabor” discussion — Fordham Orthodox Christian Studies Center.
“God becomes God” is one of those phrases that almost seems designed to trigger a theological immune response. One hears it and immediately reaches for the old guardrails: divine simplicity, aseity, immutability, impassibility, all the classical disciplines that prevent Christian speech about God from dissolving into mythological projection. And rightly so - if the phrase means that God begins in some condition of incompletion and only arrives at divinity through the world’s history. A God who needs creation, suffering, evil, and redemption in order to become himself is not the God of Christian confession. That is not the Father of the eternal Son in the Spirit. That is a finite drama inflated into theology.
But the phrase cannot be dismissed quite so easily, because there is another sense in which it presses upon Christian theology a question it cannot avoid. Is God first some hidden absolute behind Christ, complete in a way that can be described without reference to creation, Incarnation, and deification, only afterward deciding to reveal himself in Jesus? Or is the God Christians confess always and eternally the God revealed in Christ: the God whose life is self-giving love, the God whose eternal identity is never other than the Father’s self-expression in the Son and the Spirit? The first option protects transcendence at the cost of abstraction; the second risks speaking of God and the world so closely that God’s identity begins to appear bound up with history. That, it seems to me, is the real pressure exposed in the exchange between David Bentley Hart and Jordan Daniel Wood.
I am not pretending here to adjudicate the whole of Wood’s project, still less Maximus himself. Nor am I trying to reduce Hart’s The Light of Tabor to one exchange in a video discussion. What interests me here is the pressure that exchange makes unusually clear: how can Christian theology say that God is never other than the God revealed in Christ without also saying that God becomes God through the world? Wood fears one danger: a God behind Christ, a divine identity settled elsewhere and only secondarily expressed in creation, Incarnation, and deification. Hart fears another: a God completed by the world, as though creation, evil, Incarnation, and redemption are somehow necessary stages in God’s own self-realization. Both fears are legitimate. Both become dangerous when isolated.
Nor is this merely a quarrel over the word “monism,” a term capacious enough to frighten bishops, delight metaphysicians, and clarify almost nothing unless handled with care. The deeper issue is not whether one is “monistic” or not, but what kind of unity Christian faith requires. A false dualism makes God and humanity so alien that Incarnation becomes unintelligible. A false monism makes God and humanity so continuous that creation begins to look like an episode in divine self-completion. The trick, if that is not too frivolous a word for so serious a matter, is to avoid both catastrophes without pretending the tension is easily dissolved.
Wood’s position, at its strongest, begins from a conviction I find deeply compelling: creation, Incarnation, and deification cannot be treated as three separable divine projects. In the exchange, he says that the only coherent Christian picture is one in which those three are seen together. He even agrees that God’s own act of “being God” already implicates creation, deification, and Incarnation. He adds that he does not think there is any possible world without the Incarnation, and that the Incarnation reveals there would never have been “no world.” Yet he is careful to say that this is not an impersonal necessity. It is something more like love: determinate, but not formal; necessary, but not mechanical.
One need not follow Wood all the way into the claim that there is no possible world without Incarnation to recognize the theological pressure behind it. His deeper point is that Christian theology cannot describe God’s purpose as though Christ were an addendum to it. If Jesus Christ is the eternal Logos made flesh, if all things are created through him and for him, then creation is not an appendix to God’s purposes. Incarnation is not a divine improvisation after sin. Deification is not a decorative supplement tacked onto an otherwise finished anthropology. The whole Christian story is one act of divine love, and that act is not secondary to who God is.
This is the force of Wood’s challenge. Too much theology begins as though the furniture of reality had already been arranged before Christ enters the room, at which point he is invited to sit in the chair reserved for him. First we determine what God is, what nature is, what humanity is, what grace is, what participation is; then Christ is made to fit into those categories. Wood’s instinct is to reverse the order. We do not first possess a complete metaphysics and then apply it to Christ. Christ gives us the truth of metaphysics. We do not first know what humanity is and then ask how Jesus exemplifies it. Jesus reveals humanity to itself. Creation is made for union with God because the Logos in whom all things are created is the same Logos who becomes flesh.
That is why Wood should not be brushed aside as though he were merely baptizing Hegelian contradiction or indulging in paradox for paradox’s sake. He is asking a genuinely Christian question: if Christ is the truth of all things, why do we keep defining “all things” as though Christ were not their truth? If the Incarnation is not an afterthought, why do we speak as though creation has one meaning in itself and another meaning once grace arrives? If deification is the destiny of humanity, why treat that destiny as alien to humanity?
Hart, of course, can agree with a great deal of this. Indeed, much of The Light of Tabor is animated by precisely the same refusal of any final dualism between God and creation, grace and nature, humanity and deification. Hart resists any picture in which human nature is a sealed finite container into which divinity must be inserted from without. If the Son truly becomes human, then humanity cannot be alien to God. If human beings are truly deified and yet remain human, then deification must fulfill humanity rather than abolish it. A creature may be raised beyond its present capacities, but it cannot be raised beyond its nature without ceasing to be that creature at all.
This is Hart’s great strength. He sees that salvation cannot be replacement. If grace destroys nature, the saved creature is not the creature God made, but something else substituted in its place. If deification is wholly extrinsic to humanity, then the human being does not become fully human in God; he is overwhelmed by God. Humanity must be intrinsically open to God because humanity exists from the beginning in and through the Logos. The finite is not violated by the infinite, because finite being exists only by participation in the infinite.
Hart is therefore suspicious of theological systems that widen the gap between nature and grace in order to protect divine transcendence. He sees in them a recurring Christian anxiety. Precisely because the Incarnation asserts so radical a compatibility between created personhood and the person of the Son, theology often reacts by erecting barriers elsewhere. Grace becomes a super-added layer. Nature becomes a closed finite order. Deification becomes a gift with no inner relation to the creature’s deepest truth. Hart thinks this can produce a monstrous picture of grace, in which human nature has no inherent spiritual destiny except what God arbitrarily adds to it. His opening remarks in the exchange make clear that he sees the union of eternity and time in Christ as uniquely volatile within Christian theology.
Here Hart is clarifying. A grace that does not fulfill nature but merely supplements it is not yet the grace of the gospel. It is too easily imagined as divine ornament, divine interruption, even divine favoritism. But if the human creature is made in and through the Logos, then its destiny cannot be alien to it. The creature is made for God. Its openness to God is not an accidental possibility. It is the secret of what the creature is.
And yet Wood’s warning remains necessary, because Hart’s account can sound, at moments, too serene. If humanity is already naturally ordered to deification, if spirit is by nature an openness to divine infinity, if Christ reveals what all humanity most deeply is, one might reasonably ask whether the historical Incarnation has become too predictable. Does Christ accomplish humanity’s destiny, or merely display it? Does he constitute the meaning of creation, or simply disclose what a sufficiently daring metaphysics had already discovered?
That critique should not be dismissed. Christian theology cannot allow Christ to become the illustration of a metaphysical system that could have been written without him. The Logos is not an abstract principle that later happens to acquire a face. The Logos is Jesus Christ. If metaphysics becomes too polished, too confident that it already knows the shape of reality before kneeling before Bethlehem and Golgotha, then Christology has been domesticated. It may still use orthodox language. It may still say all the right things. But the scandal has been softened. Christ becomes the perfect instance of a truth, not the living Lord who gives truth its form.
This is also why Wood, if I under him right, resists Hart’s reading of his language about hypostasis. Wood denies that he is imagining two irreconcilable realities being hammered together in a “vacuous pit” called the hypostasis. His point is not that divinity and humanity are unrelated things magically glued together by the person of Christ. Rather, the whole Christ gives rise to the very problem of predication. Only when one points to the man hanging on the cross and says, “through him all things were made,” does the question appear in its proper form. Christ is not the answer to a problem already adequately framed without him. Christ creates the question.
That clarification matters. The best critique of Wood is not that he simply makes “person” do metaphysical magic. He explicitly denies that. His position is better understood as an attempt to think from the whole Christ outward. The person of Christ is not one item inside a larger metaphysical field; he is the concrete actuality in light of which the relation between divine and human must be thought at all. Wood wants to prevent us from treating Christ as a case study in a discipline called metaphysics. Christ is not a case. Christ is the criterion.
Still, Hart’s objection lands with force. If divine and human nature have no deep intelligible relation, then saying they are united in one person does not yet explain the union. It gives the mystery a doctrinal name, but a name is not an account. What does it mean for one person to unite divine and human realities if, at the level of nature, those realities remain wholly incommensurable? If there is no prior non-opposition between God and humanity, no Logos-ground in which humanity is already ordered toward divine life, then “hypostatic union” risks becoming a sacred paradox-machine. Personhood is being asked to solve a problem it has not explained.
This is Hart’s sharpest concern. A person is not a metaphysical box into which unrelated realities can be placed. Personhood cannot hover above nature as a contentless capacity to tolerate contradiction. If hypostasis is severed from nature, it becomes unintelligible; if nature contributes nothing to the intelligibility of the union, the union begins to look like a juxtaposition rather than a true communion. Christ must not be a hybrid, nor a divine subject externally wearing humanity, nor a miraculous container of incompatible contents. The union must be real without confusion. The humanity must remain fully human. The divinity must remain fully divine. For Hart, this is possible only because humanity is already grounded in the Logos who assumes it.
Rowan Williams’s questions in the exchange are helpful here because they keep the discussion from sliding too quickly into slogans. He asks, in effect, what is distinctive about the hypostatic union if Christ is the absolute exemplification of what all humanity is destined for? Is Christ’s union with God merely the supreme instance of our union with God, or is it different in kind? Williams also presses the point that creaturely willing, history, passibility, and change must not simply disappear into the language of divine-human convergence.
That question really matters. If Christ is the truth of humanity, he is not therefore merely one human being who happens to have reached the summit first. The hypostatic union is not one case within a general series of deified persons. Christ’s humanity is universally communicable because it is uniquely the humanity of the eternal Son. We are deified by participation; he is the incarnate Logos. The difference is not that his humanity is less human or ours less destined for glory, but that his union is the source and form of ours, not an instance alongside ours. Without that distinction, the claim that Christ reveals humanity could quietly flatten into the claim that Christ is only humanity’s highest example. That would not be enough. Not nearly enough.
But the deepest disagreement between Hart and Wood is not exhausted by this nature/person issue. The exchange makes clear that the still deeper question is asymmetry. Hart is willing to say that creatures are modalities of divine presence. He is not willing to say that God is a mode of anything. His phrase is wonderfully compressed: “We are modes; God is not.” That is another way of preserving the ontological difference. Creation depends on God; God does not depend on creation. The world is an expression of divine generosity, not a condition of divine identity.
This is where “God becomes God” becomes truly volatile. If the phrase means that God is eternally the God of self-giving love, and that creation, Incarnation, and deification are not secondary to God’s purpose, then Wood’s claim is powerful and, I think, deeply Christian. But if it means that God’s identity is achieved through the world, or that God requires creation in order to become himself, then Hart is right to resist it. The Cross reveals God’s victory over evil; it must not make evil a necessary moment in God’s self-realization. If that is what “God becomes God” means, the phrase should be retired immediately, preferably without honors.
Hart presses exactly this danger. If one asserts too radical a unity between God and world, one must ask to what degree the identity of God as God in the event of Christ becomes tied up with the evil of this world, moral evil and natural evil alike. Hart insists that some interval of divine innocence cannot be dispensed with.
That is perhaps the deepest moment in the whole debate. Hart is not protecting a cold, distant deity untouched by creaturely suffering. He is protecting the truth that God does not need evil in order to be God. If God becomes God through the world’s history, then the world’s agony becomes part of the process by which God achieves himself. Sin, death, and horror are no longer simply what God overcomes and transfigures; they become, however subtly, ingredients in divine self-realization. A theology that begins by exalting Christ would end by making the Cross necessary not only for us, but for God.
Still, Wood’s later clarification helps and should not be ignored. Near the end of the exchange, discussing Christ’s deified humanity, he says that if Christ’s deified humanity is universal, then it is also eternal, and that this eternal universality is the presupposition of Christ’s modality in time: Christ “becomes what he always already was.” That phrase is easy to misread, but it is crucial. Wood is not necessarily describing a movement from lack to possession, as though Christ -or God- were incomplete until history supplied what was missing. He is describing the temporal actualization of an eternal truth. What becomes manifest in time is not foreign to what is eternally true in the Logos.
This makes Wood’s position more compelling. He is not simply saying that God is completed by history. He is trying to say that creation, Incarnation, and deification are not external episodes added onto an otherwise self-enclosed deity. What God actualizes in the world is not other than who God eternally is. The God revealed in Christ is not a secondary appearance of a more ultimate God hidden behind Christ. The act of giving, creating, incarnating, and deifying is not a mask placed over God’s identity; it is the temporal manifestation of the God who is eternally self-giving love.
But again, Hart’s guardrail remains necessary. To say that what God actualizes is not alien to who God eternally is does not mean that God is constituted by that actualization. There is a decisive difference between saying that the economy reveals God and saying that the economy completes God. Wood is right to deny that creation and Incarnation are extrinsic to God’s eternal intention. Hart is right to deny that they are constitutive of God’s eternal identity. The world may manifest who God is; it does not make God be God.
This, I think, is the grammatical distinction without which the conversation becomes confused: creation is internal to God’s eternal intention, but not constitutive of God’s eternal identity.
A classical Thomist will immediately object that this distinction cannot be taken as a real division in God. And that objection is right. In God there is no intention over here and identity over there, no essence on one side and purpose on the other. Divine simplicity forbids any such composition. So the distinction cannot be an account of parts in God. It is rather a discipline for our speech about God. To say that creation is internal to God’s eternal intention is to deny that Christ, creation, and deification are detachable episodes added to a God already conceived apart from them. To say that creation is not constitutive of God’s eternal identity is to deny that God requires the world in order to be God. The first claim blocks abstraction. The second blocks divine self-completion through history.
This distinction may seem slight, but it is decisive. Creation, Incarnation, and deification are not afterthoughts in God’s purpose. They are not secondary repairs or decorative supplements. In that sense, it seems to me that Wood is absolutely right. There is no Christian God whose purpose can be described apart from Christ. But intention is not need. The world may be eternally intended by God without being a constituent of God’s identity. God may eternally will creation without requiring creation in order to be God. God may be fully revealed in Christ without being completed by the economy of salvation. In that sense, Hart is right. God is not made God by what God gives being to. Divine love is free, not because it might just as well have been indifferent, but because it is not compelled by lack.
This is where a Barthian or Jensonian protest has to be heard, even if not finally obeyed. One might say: are we not protecting God’s aseity by smuggling in a God behind Christ after all? Are we not positing a divine identity safely hidden behind the economy, untouched by the concrete history of Jesus? That is precisely the danger Wood helps us see. Divine transcendence can become a refuge from revelation. Aseity can be used, badly, to imagine a God whose true identity is secured somewhere other than in the Son. But the answer to that danger cannot be to make history constitutive of God. The economy truly reveals God; it does not produce God. Christ shows us who God eternally is; he does not furnish God with an identity God otherwise lacks.
A second distinction follows from the first: God is not constituted by what he actualizes, but what he actualizes is not external to who he eternally is. If we say only the first, we risk imagining a God whose identity can be described apart from Christ, creation, and deification. If we say only the second, we risk imagining a world that God somehow needs in order to become himself. The first error gives us a God behind Christ. The second gives us a God completed by the world. Christian theology must refuse both.
This also clarifies the relation between Christ and humanity. In relation to God, Christ reveals who God eternally is; he does not make God become who God is. In relation to humanity, however, Christ does not merely reveal what humanity already is in finished form; he accomplishes humanity’s destiny. This asymmetry matters. God is not perfected by the Incarnation, but humanity is. God does not become God in Christ; humanity becomes truly human in Christ.
That same pattern applies to humanity. Humanity is Logos-shaped from the beginning. That must be said, or the Incarnation becomes unintelligible. If human nature has no intrinsic openness to God, then God’s assumption of humanity becomes arbitrary. It would be hard to see how Christ’s humanity remains truly human rather than being overwhelmed by divinity or merely attached to it from without. Hart sees this clearly. But this Logos-shaped humanity is not a neutral metaphysical datum floating above the gospel. We know what humanity is because we know Christ. We do not first possess a complete anthropology and then fit Jesus into it. Jesus reveals humanity to itself because he is the one in whom humanity reaches its truth. Wood sees this clearly.
Christ, then, is neither a mere exception nor a mere example. He is not an exception, because he does not unite God and humanity by violating what humanity is. But he is not a mere example, because he does not simply display a truth that would be equally complete without him. He is the truth of humanity because he is the incarnate Logos in whom humanity is created, revealed, healed, and fulfilled. Christ reveals humanity by accomplishing it. He fulfills humanity by showing that humanity was always made for him.
That formulation avoids two opposite mistakes. It avoids saying that Christ merely reveals an already finished humanity, as though the Incarnation were only a metaphysical disclosure. But it also avoids saying that Christ imposes an alien destiny upon humanity, as though deification were not the fulfillment of the creature but its replacement. The Incarnation is not the interruption of humanity by divinity. Nor is it the predictable flowering of a human potential possessed apart from grace. It is the free act of God by which humanity becomes what it was always created to be.
This is why the Transfiguration is not merely a beautiful image at the edge of the debate. It is the icon of the whole question. On Tabor, Christ does not stop being human in order to shine with divine glory. His flesh is not discarded, bypassed, or overwhelmed. It becomes transparent. The light is not a denial of the body but its revelation. Yet the asymmetry remains. The humanity is transfigured; God is not. The flesh shines with divine glory; the divine glory does not become divine by shining through flesh. To put it somewhat irreverently: the flesh shines; the Light does not learn how to be luminous.
If Tabor is possible, then the human is not a prison from which God must rescue us. Nor is it an autonomous integrity God must politely respect from a distance. The human is a mystery of openness: dust breathed into by God, finite spirit called beyond every finite closure, flesh destined for glory. Divine presence does not diminish this humanity. It makes humanity radiant with its own truth. The more Christ’s humanity is filled with God, the more -not less- human it is.
So where does that leave the argument? Here’s my take. Hart gets the veto: God is not made God by the world. God is not completed by creation, history, evil, or even by the Incarnation, as though the eternal Son lacked something until Bethlehem. Wood gets the warning: the God whose transcendence we defend is not hidden behind Christ. Christian theology cannot imagine God in abstraction from Christ and then treat the Incarnation as a later episode. There is no God behind Christ more ultimate than the God revealed in Christ, and no humanity behind Christ more complete than the humanity fulfilled in Christ.
The difficulty is learning how to say both things without letting either cancel the other. The economy truly reveals God, but it is not the process by which God becomes God. Creation is internal to God’s eternal intention, but not constitutive of God’s eternal identity. God is not constituted by what he actualizes, but what he actualizes is not external to who he eternally is. Christ reveals God; he does not furnish God with an identity. But Christ fulfills humanity. He does not merely display what humanity already is in finished form; he brings humanity into the glory for which it was made.
That is why Christ is not the exception to humanity. He is its truth.
Addendum: Christ, the Spirit, and Divine Identity
In response to a helpful objection by Aaron Lessin whether the distinction between God’s eternal intention and God’s eternal identity requires a fuller Trinitarian and pneumatological clarification, I add the following addendum:
I argued above that creation is internal to God’s eternal intention, but not constitutive of God’s eternal identity. The objection is that if creation is truly internal, eternal, non-extrinsic, and not an afterthought, then in what sense can it fail to be constitutive? Does “internal but not constitutive” simply reintroduce externality under a more elegant name?
This query exposes what I should have stated more fully: the distinction must be made in explicitly Trinitarian terms. Creation is eternally willed in Christ and made participable in the Spirit, but creation is not what makes the Son Son or the Spirit Spirit. The Father begets the Son as his perfect Image and Logos; because the Son is that Image and Logos, all things are created through him and for him. Likewise, the Spirit is not merely the later application of a Christological plan, as though he were the delivery mechanism of a prior divine intention. The Spirit is the living actuality of divine communion, the one in whom the life revealed in Christ becomes present and participable.
But this does not make creation constitutive of divine identity. The Spirit’s mission into creation reveals and communicates the eternal triune life; it does not make God triune. Creaturely participation in the Spirit is real participation, not an external imitation or merely extrinsic relation. But the participation of creatures in God is not what constitutes God as Father, Son, and Spirit. Creatures are constituted by relation to God; God is not constituted by relation to creatures.
So the distinction I meant to draw should be clarified in this way: the economy truly reveals and communicates who God eternally is, but it does not produce who God eternally is. Christ reveals the Father; the Spirit makes that revealed life present as communion; neither revelation nor participation furnishes God with an identity God otherwise lacks. The world receives its identity from God. God does not receive his identity from the world.
This also clarifies the concern expressed by Tom Belt about whether the Father’s begetting of the Son can be identified with God’s determination to create. Creation is eternally grounded in the Son, but it is not identical with the Father’s begetting of the Son. The Son is not Son because God creates; God creates through the Son because the Son is eternally begotten as the Father’s Image and Logos. To say that creation is through the Son is necessary. To say that creation is what makes the Son Son would be something else entirely.
The same must be said pneumatologically. The world participates in divine life through the Spirit, but creaturely participation is not what makes the Spirit Spirit. The Spirit makes divine life present as communion, but that communion is the free communication of God’s eternal life, not a condition of God’s being God.
In summary, creation is internal to God’s eternal intention because it is eternally willed in Christ and communicated in the Spirit; but creation is not constitutive of God’s eternal identity because Father, Son, and Spirit are God without requiring the world. God is never other than the God revealed in Christ and present in the Spirit. But God is not made God by the world he creates, redeems, and deifies.


The distinction between “internal to God’s eternal intention” and “not constitutive of God’s eternal identity” is elegant, but I think it ultimately depends on a metaphysical assumption that deserves further scrutiny.
If creation is truly internal and eternal (i.e., if it is not an afterthought, not extrinsic, and not secondary), then it becomes difficult to see in what sense it could fail to be constitutive without reintroducing, at least formally, a non-relational remainder in God. A relation that is real, eternal, and internal, but not constitutive, risks collapsing back into a refined version of externality.
This is where I think something deeper is at stake and where the relative absence of the Holy Spirit in these discussions is telling.
Much of the debate is framed in terms of “God” and “Christ,” identity and revelation, eternity and history. But without the Spirit, the ontology of presence and participation remains underdeveloped. The Spirit is not simply the application of a prior divine intention; the Spirit is the living actuality of divine presence—the one in whom God is not only revealed to creation but present as participatory communion.
If that is the case, then the question is not whether the world is constitutive of God as an external object—it clearly is not—but whether divine identity is intelligible apart from the eternal relational act in which God gives himself, expresses himself, and is present. Once presence (pneumatology) is taken seriously at the ontological level, the gap between “internal” and “constitutive” becomes much harder to sustain.
Put differently: if relation is not merely economic or revelatory but ontologically primitive, then identity is not something that stands behind relational expression. It is precisely what is actualized in it.
This does not entail that God “needs” the world in any deficient or developmental sense. But it may mean that divine identity cannot be meaningfully described apart from the eternal, living act of self-giving that is revealed in Christ and present in the Spirit.
In her 2012 thesis, The Theological Significance of Chance: Temporal Divine Action Discerned through Probability and Complexity Theory, at St Mark's National Theological Centre, School of Theology, Charles Sturt University, Alice Murray argued that Jenson’s and Bracken’s acknowledgements of the possibility of a tri-polar presence of God have resonance with a three domain model of reality.
She distinguished three domains of reality by their relation to our concept of time:
1. God’s infinite, timeless domain of embracing love from which creation and hence
time itself was enacted,
2. The eternal, everlasting, spiritual domain which is the all-embracing dimension of
creation, and
3. The material, transient domain in which the temporal process of the universe is played out.
I had previously appropriated Joe Bracken's Divine Matrix through the lenses of Bonaventure & Peirce. Murray's framing furnished even more coherence.
When I'd first read JDW's Whole Mystery manuscript, I responded to him that it read to me as being fully consonant with my understandings of both Fr Gelpi's Maximian Narrative Christology & Fr Bracken's Divine Matrix.
It is with Gelpi & Bracken (Murray's) that I've (constructively?) appropriated JDW ever since. When I first encountered DBH's body of work, I engaged it as being fully consonant with my understandings of Fr Lonergan's works.
While I receive DBH's Christomorphic vision as theo- bedrock as in conversation with my above-mentioned Jesuit co-religionists, as I mentioned to Fr Al a few days ago: While JDW goes beyond DBH and sharpens the old Christ-specification pencil further, on my reading, Jordan has not broken the point.
If one approriate's JDW through Bracken (Murray's), where does that leave the argument?
DBH gets the veto: The infinite & timeless God is not made God by the world. God is not completed by creation, history, evil, or even by the Incarnation. This is the domain of nondeterminate being without modality & of divine archetypal intentions.
JDW gets his finite eternal & everlasting creation & Incarnation as historically & temporally manifest in Bethlehem. These are the finite created domains of determinate being & modality, wherein the Son became & eternally becomes God. That's another story. The greatest one ever told.